Thursday, April 20, 2006

Intercepting Transmission PART II

Absolutely marvelous responses, everyone.

Just one comment: speaking of Wilber's lines of development, Andrew, it's also entirely possible that the disciples themselves were not developed to the level where they could understand and assimilate the teachings... they could only interpret what was being transmitted from their current level of consciousness. It's like trying to play DVDs on a transistor radio (or something like that... :)

The corollary of that being that humanity itself may be "evolving" to the point where (slightly) more people NOW than 2,000 years ago are ready and open to hear/accept/understand the types of messages that such teachers were trying to communicate.


Andrew said...

I think Jesus would concur wholeheartedly with your assessment of the disciples.

Actually, it's interesting: the gospels report the disciples consistently missing the point about Jesus and his message, even up to Peter wanting to kick some ass in the Garden of Gethsemane, yet Jesus tells them without any apparent irony that they'll do greater things than he ever did, and that they can be one with the Father just as much as he was. It's a kind of optimism that's either just plain stupid or else born of learning how to look at the world through the eye of spirit. In Jesus' case I would go with the latter.

As to the evolution thing, yeah, I would guess that humanity's "center of gravity" has shifted ever so slightly upward in the past 2000 years. (Have you read Wilber, or others, on Spiral Dynamics?) How much typically depends on what particular specimens of humanity I'm interacting with on a given day!

isaiah said...

The notion of lines of development and reaching understanding at certain levels of consciousness are fascinating elements.

Ken Keyes Jr. has an Internet publication called "The Hundredth Monkey" (which is based on a myth that 'critical mass was reached by a group of monkeys learning from each other to wash their sweet potatoes so that monkeys on other island who had no contact with the original monkeys commenced with the same washing') about raising consciousness:

In his book he writes such things as "there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!"

This also speaks to David Hawkins’s "Powers vs. Force" and his postulation that consciousness is being raised experientially (and has recently jumped considerably) to the degree each of us become more aware.

If, upon first exposure to mystical instruction everyone become 'enlightened' what would that say about faith and one of my favorite verses of scripture, 'Lord, I believe, help me with my disbelief'?

I have to believe we are 'evolving' to a point where we will come to fully understand our relationship to Spirit enough so that there is a 'critical mass' and we all recognize each other for who we are. I may be naive- but, hell...I would rather be an idealist than a pessimist; and besides, I enjoy the company of those who seek to understand without judging, far more than those who 'know' or who could really care less.

I really like what Andrew has to say here about learning how to look at the world through the eye of Spirit and reminds me of the beautiful line from Meister Eckhart: “The eye in which I see God is the same eye in which God sees me.

In the asking 'how can this or that be?' and in the genuine search within and without there is a beauty- in and of itself, separate from any answers, and yet inclusive of all answers.

Jon said...

Isaiah and Andrew say it really well. It's a struggle to allow Realization. It's even more of one to help someone else Realize.

Trev Diesel said...

But, of course, evolution is to a point, yes?

Then we get either "too big for our britches" and blow up the planet -OR- every person alive becomes awakened and then...


The universe breathes in, all dispappears for an instant, then breathes back out the worlds...

When the "it" person is found out in Hide and Seek, the game is over, and you start a new game.