tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7574234.post114416149232451095..comments2023-10-09T05:54:12.810-04:00Comments on The Sound of Diesel Musing: Response to Yesterday's Post (Forget, Remember, Forget, Remember...)Trevor Hardenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03039366577619804284noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7574234.post-1144178307973991922006-04-04T15:18:00.000-04:002006-04-04T15:18:00.000-04:00By the way, it is quite true that saints/mystics h...By the way, it is quite true that saints/mystics have been in the "God is other than the world" camp as well - there have been folks on both sides of the fence, and many who ride the fence and say "Since God is infinite, BOTH are true." :) Just wanted to acknowledge your comment!Trev Dieselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05742413112547765782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7574234.post-1144177913573767152006-04-04T15:11:00.000-04:002006-04-04T15:11:00.000-04:00Thanks Dan for the spagetti... you have no ineptit...Thanks Dan for the spagetti... you have no ineptitude at communication... I hear ya!<BR/><BR/>"What if what you believe is wrong?" Very intersting question, especially when you realize the billions of beliefs and perspectives out there. We certainly can't all be 100% right all the time - but we certainly believe that WE are the one/group that has it all figured out. <BR/><BR/>Rather, we've gotta do the best we can with what we have. Better yet, don't take someone else's word for what you "believe" - either KNOW it to be true, or don't. In my meditation practice, in my everyday life, in my VERY occasionally mystical experiences - what I experience to be the nature of things is what Alan Watts and the "saints and sages of old" are explaining here. It's not just a BELIEF ("I hope it's true, I hope it's true.") - it's an interpretation of experiential reality.<BR/><BR/>Then, yes, our "beliefs" will affect our life and those around us because they're the core of who we are - not just an intellectual truth, but because that is the center of our reality. <BR/><BR/>So I guess what I'm saying is I really don't care about people's "BELIEFS" at this time in my life (nor am I convinced that "God" cares we have all our intellectual "beliefs" straight).<BR/><BR/>I'd rather hear about HOW YOU LIVE or WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED TO BE TRUE.Trev Dieselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05742413112547765782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7574234.post-1144164531024661592006-04-04T11:28:00.000-04:002006-04-04T11:28:00.000-04:00I totally agree that there are not going to be tid...I totally agree that there are not going to be tidy answers to all of our deep questions. I believe that we do not have 100% evidence about anything and that there is that unknowable faith and the leap that Kierkegaard talks about. <BR/><BR/>At the same time, we can have justified true beliefs. It can be a cop out to just say, "I believe this and have no explainations or opinions for the big-ass loopholes and inconsistancies that I am facing." <BR/><BR/>Here's why it's important:<BR/>1. What if what you believe is wrong?<BR/>2. What if what you believe affects your life or your afterlife?<BR/>3. What if your beliefs affect others around you? <BR/><BR/>Now it's a heck of a lot easier to dismiss these questions as "a modernistic, englightenment age" approach to reality. <BR/><BR/>But is our current answer to not even seek any further? (when I found out that Reindeer didn't fly, I stopped believing in Santa Claus.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>It may have been "reality for many mystics and saints" over the years, but so has the view that we are made by God and that he is wholly "other" from us. <BR/><BR/>I know I'm probably not going anywhere with this because our belief systems are at completly different starting points. But I just wanted to though some more spagetti on the wall. Unfortuanatly my ineptitude at communication will probably not let any stick!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for letting me spam your blog with my thoughts!<BR/><BR/>Peace.Dan Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227812699202146238noreply@blogger.com